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2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: Yes, being "progressive".
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: Then what of the American system of taxation? Taxation, one way or another, is still taxation. In some way or another, they take money from people and give it to others. Arguably, that's what they do with the educational system. People that don't even have children pay for your schooling, does that mean that they shouldn't be taxed for it?
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: I forget what the figures are exactly, but the top 2 percent are making up like 20 percent of the taxes here in the states, and I don't think that's right either. Even if they can still take care of themselves, it's not right to take from them. Don't call me a rich snob, either, because I'm in the middle class right now, and used to be in the lower class where gunfire would go off regularly, and one of my friends was killed by a "stray bullet" when I was little.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: It all depends on where government financing comes in. It's not taking from one group and giving to another, it's taking an amount that will not harm you, and giving it to people that need it. Would it be better to have the American system where people who can't afford health insurance can't afford things like asthma inhalors? I'm sure it is. Or having to pay to get that surgery for the life threatening diseases that you accused Canada of having "third world" treatment for (which is doesn't). Even if they did, third world treatment would be better than denying them treatment because they can't afford it.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: Oh yes, because people that make millions of dollars per year should be allowed to keep those millions?
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: Absolutely. I am homeschooled, and my parents pay a ton of money to pay for the failed socialist school system we have here, and so does all the other people that don't have kids in the schools. I don't think that they should have to pay for it, and I think the laws that force kids to go to them in some states should be abolished.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: Because of course, everyone needs to buy a big house. Just so you know, I happen to have been a member of the upper class once. I'd prefer that my money were going to help other people rather than myself squandering it for my own benefit.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: "and so does all the other people" apparently that home schooling didn't help you all that much. "and so DO all the other people"
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: Yes, they should be able to keep it. They made the money, and they are entitled to it. I don't disagree with taxes, I just think that they should limit the spending to pay for things like the military, police, and roads and stuff.
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: Oh, so now you're stooping to the level of insulting my mother for a typo, are you?
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: No, I'm not insulting your mother, I'm insulting you for you completely self-oriented views. You are adhering to an ideology dangerously similar to that of the caste systems that existed in India a while ago. You are basically saying that because somebody is born into poverty, they should have to remain in it. People can't afford to home school; people can't afford healthcare and you are saying that you think it's wrong to take from EVERYONE to benefit EVERYONE.
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: Now, I understand what you mean about sharing with other people, ok? There's nothing wrong with sharing and being charitable, but I don't think it's up to the government to decide who should be forced to share with who.
2004-08-26 [Delight]: What about the other things? I mean, we've already said healthcare. But howabout environment? Which is just as important. Who cares what delusions are had about other countries and their feelings about us when everyone is choking to death from a lack of clean air? Or when all the crops fail? Or howabout disease studies. The funding that went to AIDS task forces dropped the second bush came in office. HIV is capable of being cured, but they need some kind of funding. There are thousands of people who required hte medication to survive, and the government decided to completely cut them off. There are thousands of people who have been sentanced to death by that one thing.
2004-08-26 [Delight]: Um.. that post actually came up late... FYI... it originally went under the 19:15:08 post.
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: Yes, you are. You were insulting the teaching job of my mother by pointing out a grammatical error. I am not adhering to a caste system, because the difference is that someone can climb through the ranks like my father did if you are born into a low class, but you can't with a caste system. With capitalism, however, you can keep what you earn.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: The government forces people to share, because a lot of people don't believe they have any responsibility to share. I'd hate to admit it, but Canada and the US were both founded by people baring Christian views. As such, they still maintain some semblance of that ideology, which is not quite a bad thing. People need to support each other in order to properly understand the world. No one likes having to pay taxes, but if you really don't like it, you can move somewhere else. I don't see how people could actually believe that they have a right to keep all that money, which a lot of the time was gained by deceit and manipulation (not always, but more and more often evidence is coming forward).
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: The goverment doesn't decide who, either. The government has it there, and when people need help, they offer it. That's the important part. All men and women are created equal, and as such, they should have the right to the necessities of life. If I'm making 10 million dollars per year, and the government takes half, I'm still making more in a year than many make in a lifetime. I don't think that's all that bad.
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: But they DON'T have a responsibility to share. I don't see how people could possibly believe that they are entitled to another person's property.
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: There's nothing wrong with Christian principles, either. I myself am an atheist, but I adhere to most of the 10 commandments (minus having to believe in god) because they are good rules to follow.
2004-08-26 [Delight]: Well yeah, they're based off of human morality. Its not a matter of rules like that... i mean, do you believe that we completely need the rule "Thou shalt not kill" so that people dont kill? Thats a loss of faith in humankind itself. But you apparently believe that people are allowed to keep all of what they achieve by, as [sophomoric] deceit and manipulation.
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: I don't think it's right for the government to decide who is worthy, even more so. If I want to give food and money to starving beggars, I'm going to give it to the beggar that will get a job, for instance, and not the lazy bum that will just go buy a bottle of wine with the money and get drunk under a bridge and possibly hurt people.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: The fundemental teachings of Christianity lie not in the ten commandments (that would be Jeudaism); the emphasis is placed on living and loving as Jesus did. Therefore, practicing forgiveness, helping others as you can, and fighting for what you believe in. I myself, an atheist as well, at least acknowledge the importance of this all. If I were in the situation of poverty where I could not afford proper healthcare, I would like to have government financing. For that reason, I believe that it's important for us to help each other.
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: Well I believe in liberty, and the freedom to give to whom, and how much of what, to give to people.
2004-08-26 [Delight]: Well you're one person. I dont agree with the meaningless destruction of iraq. But i do believe in funding them in the rebuilding. I believe that we should be taxed more for these people, because it was the american citizens who elected someone who would do that. Actions have repercussions, and you have to pay for that in any way shape and form. This applies to everything.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: Why should the government have a right to tax anyone at all then? You said that you believed it should be ok to take the money for roads and the military and stuff, but what about people that don't desire to finance the military, or pay the salaries of the politicians or if they don't believe in driving cars? Should they have to pay taxes?
2004-08-26 [farfy girl]: I gotta go now. I'd like to debate with you guys another time, though! ^_^
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: bye bye
2004-08-26 [Delight]: Ah. Adios.
2004-08-26 [elfboy]: hello.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: In case you missed it, those statements about Canada's healthcare system were false, and I would like to make sure you were aware of this.
2004-08-26 [elfboy]: i know.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: Very good.
2004-08-26 [elfboy]: how be you?
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: I am in no particular position to complain. And yourself?
2004-08-26 [elfboy]: I be good, lad. I be good.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: That is good to hear.
2004-08-26 [elfboy]: i am bored.
2004-08-26 [sophomoric]: Most people find themselves in such a position at this point in time.
2004-08-26 [elfboy]: i woner why.
2004-08-28 [barutha]: so out fo curiosity, what is the argument for bush? i cant see what anyone who isnt rich or white can get out of him.
2004-08-28 [sophomoric]: I like you. lol
2004-08-28 [barutha]: no seriously.
2004-08-28 [sophomoric]: I'm not a Bush supporter, so I couldn't tell you.
2004-08-28 [Ylaraniala Majere]: *rolls eyes* Let's see... he's honorable, he does what is needed to be done, he is pro-FREEDOM... lots of other stuff, like he cares about the Americans, INCLUDING AND ESPECIALLY THE FAMILIES AND WORKERS.... oh, and by the way, how can you see anything in Kerry?
2004-08-28 [sophomoric]: What behaviours have proven him to be an honourable individual? How is he "pro-freedom"? How do you know that he cares especially about families and workers?
2004-08-29 [nameless, again]: He takes pride in his country and his decisons: honorable
2004-08-29 [nameless, again]: hes against terroist a-holes trying to destroy our country: pro-freedom
2004-08-29 [nameless, again]: He makes tax-cuts that put less stress on families and the working class: self explanitory
2004-08-29 [nameless, again]: Kerry brings nothing...his whole campaign has been about friggen' vietnam...He almost never talks about his politics and if you took time to follow politics insted of following the popular thing of being against bush 'cause its "the cool thing to do", you would understand he is just a rich old dumbass with nothing to bring to the people...
2004-08-29 [farfy girl]: The whole Vietnam thing was a sham too... He was forced to go there, 250 or so honorable veterans that served very closely with Kerry say that it was a big sham, that he didn't deserve his medals, and lied to the senate about what happened there. He has also fathered to illegit daughters, and married two extrememly rich women, yet seems to think that all rich people are evil.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: 1) the only only thing in the advertisements that stated that his whole Vietnam story was a shame that consisted of a shame was the advertisement itsel, which WAS proven to be a sham.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: Pro-freedom has nothing to do with the desire to kill terrorists; dictators do the very same thing all the time. The tax cuts he has made benefit the rich over the working class, which has ALSO been verified. The capital gains tax (a tax removed not too long ago during Bush's reign) benefits those with stocks. If you consider the condition of the working class, it did nothing to stimulate the economy, only the top 20-30%. That's far from a selfless act.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: I'm not even an American citizen, so being against Bush because it's "the cool thing to do" has never been on my mind. I was even against Bush when he was first running for president WHILE I LIVED IN TEXAS, so accusing me of following the mainstream is an extremely baseless argument as had that been the case, I would have supported him during the election, not the other way around.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: Finally, attacking the character of another candidate results with a baseless argument. If someone is the scum of the earth but can do a job better than anyone else, I'd still hire them for the job. What about Bush and his lack of seving in Vietnam? If we're going to make it a character battle, explain that little detail, won't you?
2004-08-29 [nameless, again]: If your not even an American citizen then truly i could care less about your oppinon about the President...it
2004-08-29 [nameless, again]: I would love to go back and answer all your comments up there 'cause i havre a responce for each one, but i got things to do...
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: Well, considering I was an American resident, and lived there nearly long enough to gain American citizenship AND I care about the international environment, my opinion should matter just as much as yours. If you hadn't noticed, thanks to your president, your international support has been dwindling down to nearly nothing, even from nations that once fervently supported your nation.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: ...oh and not to mention that I know more about American politics than the average American, was raised during the most fundemental years of my life in your nation and even know more about its history than most Americans do. Invalidating my opinion based on where I was born is as ignorant a view as any. Oh, and if you were to say that you hate Canada's prime minister and you were to provide valid reasons for such a position, I'd accept it.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: And finally, I'd love to hear what you have to say when you are done with the things you've got to do.
2004-08-29 [nameless, again]: oh no we dont have france's support in a war what will we do now...we still have their support just not in a war...doesnt matter though all france is good for is surrendering..
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: Actually, I never brought up France. I'm including the whole of Europe, excluding England. "People are allowed here that don't like Bush, as long as they follow the rules, so don't give them problems." I'm not even attempting to argue. I'm formulating a series of statements that form a logical perspective against the very statements that you are formulating. The best way to go against the things I say is logic, not using my national origin as some excuse to invalidate the things I'm saying.
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yes... Nameless, you ARE out of bounds, don't insult the ones against Bush, thank you. Also, the use of one of the F words made me delete a comment... do not do it again. I am not trying to be annoying, I am just enforcing the rules of this wiki.. we do value your membership. Sophomoric, apologies for the trouble and insults, someone just got a little too passionate in the discussion. You are still quite welcome here. Both of you are, as long as the rules are followed.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: It's not a huge deal. As long as we can all tolerate each other's opinion, I am certain things will go well. Besides, we all want the same thing right? What's best for the people, yes?
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: As for the discussion... my opinion is that the international popularity of this nation is important, but not as important as the morals. Bush could not have waited long, as he had to make sure the terrorists would not attack us again immediately, which we didn't know if it was likely or not. It was a very trying time, a lot of which came from grieving families. A lot of people didn't fight in Vietnam, as we don't know the circumstances, we can't comment on his not doing it. Kerry, on the other hand, we DO know about, as that has been quoted by him in his ability to be President. The only reason he went to war was apparently because he was looking at his political career...
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: And also he only served his country in Vietnam for four months.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: The international popularity didn't drop until the war on Iraq however. The US had amassed an overwhelming amount of global support to go to war against Afghanistan, but the end result of going to Iraq was that no proof of a connection to Al Qaeda was unearthed, nor was their any evidence of WMD. While Saddam's removal was beneficial, Iraq is still today pitted into chaos from the balance of power being tipped. I have absolutely nothing against the nation, but rather, I really wish he had waited for support to grow internationall
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Actually, there WAS proof... and we had no need to have a connection, what we needed was to prevent more people from dying. That, in my opinion, is the most important thing. Also, there were many weapons of mass destruction found, the definition was changed so that it would seem as if we had found nothing. I would call gas that can kill entire villages a weapon of mass destruction, but that is just me. And what good would that have done, if support WAS found? More importantly, what would we have done if we were attacked meanwhile, or support was never found?
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: Support would have been garnered, at least from the conventional allies. The gas that was discovered WAS a banned substance, but it was not deemed a WMD by the definitions of what they had been looking for. That's something I don't like though. It's never about preventing death, if such were the case, where was the US during the events of Tian a Men square in 1989, and why aren't they in North Korea right now? Or all over Africa? There's death going on the world over, but Iraq was chosen for the occasion.
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: As I asked... what if it was not found? And, as I said, the original definition was that the gas was included. And anyway, the fact that the gas was there showed that someone was definitely disobeying rules. And, as for your astute comment on the States... why aren't you poking around in alleys? Why aren't you going around risking your life for everyone and everything?
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: Who said I never planned on it? I actually want to change the world for the better. Always peacefully though; if I should happen to die in the name of peace from practicing peace, I will not die a hypocrite.
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Peace can be a very bad thing. War can also be very bad... it is more known for the terror, though. And I also want to change the world, I shall do so someday, within about five years I hope. Let me ask something, though, that you have not answered: Why would you like Kerry?? Or vote for him, if that is the case..
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: The fact of the matter is that I don't like what Bush has done to the United States... I have a plethora of friends living there, and I don't like that they get judged so negatively based on who is in power of the nation. I don't like seeing that... Also, I'd like to see tax dollars better spent.
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: *shrugs* A lot of dollars were given back to us... should never have been taken in the first place. We are a mediocre-poor family and we got a huge amount back with the tax cut. The judging is foolish, people should be judged on what they are... yes, I am strange. *grins*
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: I'd like to see more going into education... when I lived in Texas... it was fairly pitiful.
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: *snorts* Any public school isn't good for the ones taking it. Even the good ones have inappropriate junk going on. It would be better for the parents to teach the kids.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: Sometimes the parents aren't capable of teaching sufficiently. The public school I went to in Chicago was actually of extremely good quality... it was challenging, at least, which is a quality most schools seem to lack.
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: The parents have been through the public school system. Thus they are qualified. If they are not qualified, then why the heck send the kids back to the school? Also, it's good that it was challenging... trying not to point out all the nasty things at schools... ohhhhmmmmm...
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: Well, my mother, as an example, is french Canadian... Having lived in the United States, and my dad being the sole parents with an income, her teaching my sister and I would have been difficult at best.
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: ...I don't really understand what you just said, could you rephrase?...
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: Okay... in Canada, there's English and French... My mother was raised speaking French. If we had been educated by her, she would have had to do it by means of the French language, which would have made living in an English area considerably more difficult.
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Oh, I see. That is true, it would have... however, why not get someone else to teach you, a friend? Or other family? Or a tutor? None of those would give you any of the absolute yu- sorry...
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: The main issue was that once we moved away from Canada, we were in a country where we didn't know many people anyway. The educational system, for all of its flaws is sometimes the only system people are capable of depending on.
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Occasionally. Not very often. Many people will help anyway... the schools have made us a horrid society, and I really don't like them because of that. So, really, it's hard for me to be unbiased... as it is hard for you, as you believe that you wouldn't be taught without them.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: I actually know I wouldn't... Conditionally.
2004-08-29 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Well, actually, I don't want them to succeed as they are. And, as they won't be changed... basically, I think that the individual communities should pay for it, not the feds.
2004-08-29 [sophomoric]: Fairly often that is the case that goes about, the richer the area, the better the education.
2004-08-30 [farfy girl]: Just popped in while I had the time to inject my opinion that the Swiftboat Vets for Truth are telling the truth. 250 men against one, that have served with him during his (small amount) of time in Vietnam are pointing out real facts that Kerry did request his three purple hearts (at least one for self-inflicted wounds) and left asap. He ran away from danger, shot an unarmed teen in the back when the teen was retreating and tripped, and called it a valiant assault against overwhelming odds. These vets for truth are also defending themselves against Kerry's claims that US soldiers shot innocent people and tortured them.
2004-08-30 [farfy girl]: They are putting their credibility on the line, and could be sued for lying about this stuff, but Kerry won't even denounce the facts that they are putting fourth in the ads. Instead, he's beating around the bush (no pun intended) and accusing the president of illegally funding the ads.
2004-08-30 [Sweet 6 6 6--H.I.M.]: finally a group that supports our president.
2004-08-30 [Lioness123]: spawn, I totally agree...there needs to be more wikis SUPPORTING Bush and our government. My way of seeing it, if people aren't happy here and think that our country is soooo bad, then they should get the h*** out and go try to live in a third world country. THEN they'd appreciate their freedom!
2004-08-30 [Sweet 6 6 6--H.I.M.]: that they would me being an army brat i support bush and our troops. Me being in the military myself (navy) i think ppl should suport the troops
2004-08-30 [farfy girl]: I'm glad we have some newcomers! ^_^ Welcome! You're both right: a lot of people don't realize how good they have it in the USA, and don't realize how savage those terrorists are.
2004-08-30 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yeah, it's just amazing how little people know... and then they go "oh, my, why did we do that! Oh, the poor Iraqis..." argh.
2004-08-30 [elfboy]: My dad was a Marine.
2004-08-30 [Lioness123]: my brother is going to sign up in the next few days to be in the army
2004-08-30 [farfy girl]: That's awesome. ^_^
2004-08-30 [Ylaraniala Majere]: My uncle nearly died in Desert Storm... and my dad was in the Air Force, though he didn't see any fighting.
2004-08-30 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I guess we're all military oriented in some way...
2004-08-30 [shadedfate]: I have a good friend who is recon for the Marines. He just got out but is doing contractual work for the ambassadors in Iraq. And I must say, it's nice to find some politically knowledgeable people on here. For the longest time, I thought I was the only person who supported Bush...
2004-08-30 [farfy girl]: 'cept me. I don't have any family that was in the military.
2004-08-30 [Lioness123]: hey, what do you guys think about Michael moore?
2004-08-30 [farfy girl]: A complete jerk, and sculptor of the truth.
2004-08-30 [Lioness123]: I found a cool website that talks quite alot about him
2004-08-30 [Lioness123]: you guys, check this out!! http://www.flo
2004-08-30 [Lioness123]: this is Sooo funny
2004-08-30 [sophomoric]: actually, those vets ARE lying, do a little research.
2004-08-30 [sophomoric]: Argh... if you look at the list of names of people that served with Kerry, not one of those 250 vets were with him. The doctor didn't even treat Kerry since his signiture isn't on any of Kerry's medical records. I'd also like to note that you are the one that stated that Canada had third world healthcare. Please do your research from now on before relating matters reminiscent of gossip.
2004-08-30 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I have done MY research and she's right...
2004-08-30 [sophomoric]: That's interesting, because my research completely contradicts that matter. May I be informed of where you got your information?
2004-08-30 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Let's see... A) Foxnews, from three different people, one of which is strongly left, and B) not saying.
2004-08-30 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Where did you get yours from? (sorry for not saying, but I like keeping SOME things to myself... lot of info I've given already)
2004-08-30 [sophomoric]: A) CNN, varying people including a statement from a member of the Bush administration
2004-08-30 [elfboy]: ^__^
2004-08-30 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Hehe, that's okay. CNN is very lefty... Fox is not always, matters who you listen to on it...
2004-08-30 [Acomplished Exile]: cnn,cbs and abc and fx all suck in their way, especially cbs and abc- to lefty,the thing is there is no such thing as un biased news
2004-08-30 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Relatively true, which is why I watch Fox News... the people say the report and their opinions about it...
2004-08-30 [Acomplished Exile]: dont get to into fx either. keep it fair and balanced
2004-08-30 [Ylaraniala Majere]: It is about fair and balanced... I watch other stations too.
2004-08-30 [Acomplished Exile]: lol, its all good.
2004-08-30 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I don't know about that.... .>.>
2004-08-31 [farfy girl]: Excuse me? I have looked into this quite a bit, and I have actually listened a lot to one of them in particular: Steve Gardener. He served with Kerry much longer than anyone else. He was there when Kerry got the injury that resulted in his first purple heart. Kerry blasted a grenade launcher or something when they weren't even under fire, and a shard of metal bounced off something and scratched him on the arm. He did not loose a single day of duty, and even if you don't believe a word that the swifboat vets have to say, he did get all three of his purple hearts very very quickly, and fled from the war asap; abandoning his boys out there.
2004-08-31 [farfy girl]: I had something else to say on the matter, but I have forgotten what it is at the moment. I'll be sure to post it when it comes back to me.
2004-08-31 [Acomplished Exile]: Kerry is a backstabber
2004-08-31 [farfy girl]: "unfit for command", as they'd say.
2004-08-31 [Sweet 6 6 6--H.I.M.]: and he can not keep his stories straight.
2004-08-31 [barutha]: why is it that bush supporters also support war? do you htink violence is a good thing? the way i see it the world needs leaders who will do their best to avoid conflict.
2004-08-31 [Acomplished Exile]: well your statement is true but reality is terrorist exist and they want more 9/11 to happen and we have to prevent that. so u and ur utopian dream should really come down from those clouds
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: Terrorists do exist, but it's because violence and war provide them with a means by which to amass power; people get drunk on power pretty quickly.
2004-08-31 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Dictators get drunk on power pretty quickly... like, perhaps, Hussien?
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: Anyone, including Hussein... but it's not exclusive to people in the position of dictator.
2004-08-31 [Ylaraniala Majere]: No, it isn't. Good presidents, bad presidents, everyone wants power that gets into any kind of position where they have underlings. Even managers of businesses. The only question is what their personality is as far as how they will use it.
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: This being why I never intend to allow myself into a position of power... because even the most virtuous can be corrupted by power. I am not virtuous, so I would fall sooner. lol
2004-08-31 [Ylaraniala Majere]: lol, actually, I have my own ambitions... it is good to have ambition. I just vow not to use it badly, by things that I would never betray, so I'm safe!
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: lol... my desire is to spur people towards social-politic
2004-08-31 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yes, but the problem with that thinking is that a lot of people think socialism... which never works.
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: That's why if one were to attempt socialism, they'd have to maintain parts of capitalistic society, and parts of democracy, as well as government financing for particular things of necessity. Medical care should a right, not a priviledge of those who can afford it.
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: I know a lot of people think socialism is a terrible demon, but they need to look away from communism, because communism's total functionality was flawed. Communism was meant to have no means of government... which was a failed ideology since people were corrupted by power before they could relinquish it.
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: I don't want society to be run by the government, but I think that if the government were in control of certain necessities, they could allow people decent rates, while attempting to maintain the quality... I know a lot of people hate this idea... but I know too many people that have been neglected by the American healthcare system to think that privatised healthcare is a good idea.
2004-08-31 [farfy girl]: If the government is the one who decides who to give to and take from, I say that's running society too much.
2004-08-31 [farfy girl]: In fact, you seem to identify capitalism and democracy as two different forms of government. Capitalism is by definition not a form of government, but a way of commerce. I think that democracy and capitalism are the two best things that you can give a society: freedom to do what they want politically, and the freedom for people to do what they want with their own belongings.
2004-08-31 [farfy girl]: Pure democracy, though, allows the masses to push around the minorities. So, I think the best way to do it would be democracy tempered with something like republicanism.
2004-08-31 [Acomplished Exile]: laws.
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: I actually never identified Capitalism as a form of government. As for the statement "democracy and capitalism are the two best things that you can give a society" that is a matter consisting purely of opinion. If people want a lesser percentage of their income to go to the government, then they should feel more than welcome to ask for a lower salary so they feel they are being treated fairly.
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: I'll thank you to please give me a little more credit than that.
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: dum dum dum da dum dum... http://www.sno
2004-08-31 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Dum de dum... we can't trust Kerry either... dum de dum... it's only his opinion too... dum de dum... BASICALLY, IF YOU DON'T TRUST SOMEONE, YOU GET NO NEWS! That is an obvious, absolutely normal ploy to discredit people. It's NORMAL. Every scrap of information, every tiny bit of intelligence, is based on people's opinions. And people's observations. Otherwise, we would never be able to know anything.
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: Trust no one... *x files theme*
2004-08-31 [Ylaraniala Majere]: *rolls eyes* What about yourself?
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: Moi? To trust in oneself is one matter; to believe one will not stumble down a path that seems to trap all others is ignorant... tread softly and carefully... or risk waking up something bad.
2004-08-31 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yes... I know that. I'm really not in the mood to debate today... apologies.
2004-08-31 [sophomoric]: That's ok... I haven't been in the mood today either... I just defence my position if need be.
2004-09-01 [farfy girl]: I guess I'll just second what Ylaraniala says. And again, if the swiftboat guys really were lying, Kerry would have sued for slander already. Instead, he pulls the old liberal trick of sidestepping the issue.
2004-09-01 [farfy girl]: "I just defence my position if need be." ??? :P
2004-09-01 [sophomoric]: Defend. woo... I was writing an essay all day yesterday... 1000 words on top of the previously written 1143... *tiredness*
2004-09-01 [Delight]: Didja finish it though?
2004-09-01 [Sweet 6 6 6--H.I.M.]: You know that when Bush started the war on terror and sent men to iraq he know he might be ruining his carreer but he still did what he thought was right. he is the best pres we have had he thought of others and not himself
2004-09-01 [sophomoric]: ...ummm noooo.... Bush started the war on terror, which people wanted. Bush was foolish enough to go to war on Iraq without their reasons being valid in the end... so noo... you are mistaken.
2004-09-01 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Actually, a lot of people didn't want us to go to war, it was very dangerous to Bush's career to try.
2004-09-01 [farfy girl]: Yeah, the anti-war groups have gray hair now that were protesting during the Nam war, and have taught their kids that kind of stuff, and now there's even more war protesters. Not to mention that you yourself said that relations with other countries are crumbling. Bush does what he thinks is right, and won't let some socialist or anarchist wackos push him around. I'm afraid you are the one that is mistaken, sir.
2004-09-01 [farfy girl]: I have to disagree with you, spawn of satan. I don't think he's the best. I don't really have a firm opinion of who was "best", but from what I know, I like Regan more.
2004-09-01 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Agreed... but Bush is good.
2004-09-02 [sophomoric]: There were more people that were pro-war before it went down... currently, there are many fewer.
2004-09-02 [sophomoric]: Anyway... doesn't matter... what happens happens...
2004-09-02 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I suppose. Wish I could vote...
2004-09-02 [Acomplished Exile]: Bush si a better elader, he is more fit to lead this type of nation into this type of times. kerry is a wimp.
2004-09-02 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I agree.... wow wow wow wow... people who have been following the Republican Convention will know what I mean.... my favorite from the night actually came from a DEMOCRAT, Senator Miller. "Cut this, Cut that, what's he going to fight with - spitballs?!'
2004-09-02 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I agree.... wow wow wow wow... people who have been following the Republican Convention will know what I mean.... my favorite from the night actually came from a DEMOCRAT, Senator Miller. "Cut this, Cut that, what's he going to fight with - spitballs?!' in referance to Kerry.
2004-09-02 [Sweet 6 6 6--H.I.M.]: Did u see Arnald Swannager (i know i misspelled his name) Speech?
2004-09-02 [Ylaraniala Majere]: No, I didn't.... DARN IT! President's speech tonight!
2004-09-02 [farfy girl]: He was awesome!^_^ Haha, my fav talk show host even said he'd like him for president! LOL!
2004-09-02 [IMOUT]: BUSH for relection
2004-09-02 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Bush for Freedom!
2004-09-02 [Acomplished Exile]: That's my Bush
2004-09-02 [elfboy]: Hello, everyone.
2004-09-03 [Sweet 6 6 6--H.I.M.]: Bush for sure
2004-09-03 [shadedfate]: I think Bush did a fantastic job on his speech last night. I got to sit there debating every single thing he said with this liberal who really just had no clue about any of the issues or situations that we're faced with today. Oh well, it's just nice that Bush has morals and values and...sticks to them!!!
2004-09-03 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Yeah! He covered everything he needed to, and as much as he needed to. ^_^ AND we know that he'll keep the promises! Quite a bit of them.
2004-09-03 [Ylaraniala Majere]: ^_^ 22 members! YAY to all of you, and thanks! ^_^
2004-09-05 [Dil*]: okay, what kind of idiot president starts a war on a verb, 'war on terror' what a bunch of bullshit..And this is another one of those disaster wars like the war on communism or war on vietnam.
2004-09-05 [Ylaraniala Majere]: A comment from [Dil*] was deleted for violating BOTH Rule 1 and Rule 3. This is VERY much not appreciated.
2004-09-06 [Acomplished Exile]: what a looser dilandau
2004-09-06 [Ylaraniala Majere]: As far as the Rules are concerned, yeah..
2004-09-06 [Cat0132]: squee! ppl who hate John Kennedy! *dances* hard to find ppl like that here since i live in the state who keeps him in office *growls at Mass. liberals*
2004-09-06 [Ylaraniala Majere]: *laughs* Well, Miller is on your side... welcome!
2004-09-06 [elfboy]: Whoa. A flame AND a spout of bad language. Ouch.
2004-09-06 [Doormat]: notice how it is spelt loser not looser [Acomplished Exile], maybe it's looser, like your brain molecules.
2004-09-06 [Dil*]: awww.. the word b*llsh*t is not allowed..that'
2004-09-06 [farfy girl]: I don't know what is a swear if that isn't... >=P
2004-09-07 [Acomplished Exile]: ylarania hoenstly delete all this post, they are in no way helping the quality of the wiki and they are stupid
2004-09-07 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I agreed with deveel, so it is gone... and yeah. Yes, Dilandau, ALL swearwords are not allowed!
2004-09-07 [elfboy]: How is everyone?
2004-09-07 [Ylaraniala Majere]: I'm... sucky, but that is personal.
2004-09-07 [elfboy]: I know, you told me. I am sorry you are having a hard time, YM.
2004-09-07 [Ylaraniala Majere]: THanks
2004-09-08 [rocker reject]: Bush will keep us safe
2004-09-08 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Very safe.
2004-09-08 [Ylaraniala Majere]: Nonexistant? Well then, I suppose that thousands of people are alive now, as the Two Towers never fell.
2004-09-08 [Doormat]: yeah, but bush can't keep you safe from yourselves....
2004-09-08 [Ylaraniala Majere]: That is the business of the counties, the states we are in. He can't force the states to have guns or not, for instance. The President only has so much power when it comes to the states, and that's a good thing. And also, really, you've been watching too many horror movies... there are such people, but not too many.
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